[PATCH] gnu: Add emacs-chatgpt-shell.

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gnu/packages/emacs-xyz.scm | 19 +++++++++++++++++++

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Hi!

Doesn't this package effectively recommend a nonfree

service-as-a-software-substitute? It'd be better to keep users away

from such "services". Also, sorry to say, I'm pretty sure this is

against the Free Software Distribution Guidelines

Wojtek

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On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:52:58 +0200 Cayetano Santos via Guix-patches via <guix-patches@gnu.org> wrote:

You’re completely right, I completely forgot about this point.

I noticed that we already provide emacs-gptel, with similar concerns.

Cayetano

Am Sonntag, dem 30.07.2023 um 22:51 +0200 schrieb Wojtek Kosior:

IANAL, but as far as I understand, having clients for various

"services" out there, even if those services are not distributed as

free software, is permissible. See some social networking applications

or messengers. IMHO, we would need a clear guideline for all of them

rather than singling out ChatGPT even if using it is harmful for

everyone involved.

Nicolas, Andrew, WDYT?

Hello,

Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com> writes:

I also think so. In particular, this is not a SaaSS because there is no

software to substitute in the first place.

I think a clear rule is important, and my opinion is that it should be

permissive. These clients are useful pieces of software, if only because

they constitute an opportunity to learn code.

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As to centralized services — I also believe it is acceptable to include

clients for them. I mean tools like YouTube video downloaders.

I like how F-Droid approaches this — programs written for the purpose

of connecting to centralized services are labeled as having a possible

anti-feature.

However, I argue that ChatGPT is SaaSS rather than a pure "service".

The software being substituted is a "large language model" (LLM). It

isn't a *conventional* piece of software, it's a trained neural

network. But this doesn't mean it isn't software at all. I performs

advanced computation — that's also what software does.

And since nonfree software shouldn't be recommended in distros, the same

goes with SaaSS.

Even if it is a good opportunity, it's a side aspect. Nonfree software

wouldn't get packaged merely because it provides some good opportunity.

So it shouldn't affect the decision here on SaaSS, either.

Also, when looking for some code to take inspiration from, I prefer to

look at public git repositories rather than on distro packages. And

even if I were to learn elisp from Guix packages, there are already

many that do not have freedom issues.

Lastly, I admit this is a harder problem than it seems — search engines

could also be presented as (at least partially) SaaSS and it would be

hard to leave without these

Wojtek

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On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 12:02:42 +0200 Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:

On 2023-07-31 22:03, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:

While I'm not a big fun of popularization of proprietary/non-ethical

services, the clients for those services are often free software and I

don't see a good reason to include some of them and not to include

others. Also, such software often can be used with different more

ethical backends with compatible API or as an implementation example or

other source of inspiration and hackery.

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Andrew Tropin

Am Montag, dem 31.07.2023 um 22:03 +0200 schrieb Liliana Marie Prikler:

Got two ayes, so pushed.

Cheers